tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9202849355254208824.post4291922458849884798..comments2024-03-10T22:13:11.974-04:00Comments on Marvel Comics of the 1980s: The FF Forays Into The 80s part III: Salem's Sly Seven & The Blind God That Time ForgotJason Shayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12326506125878276176noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9202849355254208824.post-9326533285763383562013-03-26T15:38:04.301-04:002013-03-26T15:38:04.301-04:00Well Matt, there weren't any current sucking r...Well Matt, there weren't any current sucking radioactive turtles in the remainder of the Moench run, but in the next installment we'll cover mind controlling trilobites from outerspace who devolve their victims to quench their addiction to fossil fuels. Owww yeah.Clarmindcontrolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14584770229321250898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9202849355254208824.post-83449752403310360522013-03-26T12:42:45.922-04:002013-03-26T12:42:45.922-04:00I rather like retarded stories like this...I don&#...I rather like retarded stories like this...I don't think anyone's art could have made the giant blind Viking North Pole god seem like a good idea. But that's the kind of crazy stuff only comics and B-movies can make so bad they're good.<br /><br />I want one about a giant radioactive turtle swimming in the Hudson and negating all super powers and electricity so the FF has to solve it without any powers or Reed Richards widgets!Doc Savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08783244633195233970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9202849355254208824.post-19184718742364849272013-03-26T08:19:11.965-04:002013-03-26T08:19:11.965-04:00As I stated in my comment to the previous post, I ...As I stated in my comment to the previous post, I dropped FF right after the Salem's Seven story concluded and didn't come back until Byrne took over. Looks like I didn't miss much.<br />Moench's statements from that interview are interesting: he always seems to pass the buck on why the stories weren't up to snuff. And blaming the artist is really a stretch. Personally, I saw nothing wrong with Sienkiewicz's art, either in those issues that I had or based on the panels you've posted here. I think your observation that "Moench's vision for the team was somehow off" goes to the heart of the matter and serves as a rather perfect summary of this entire run.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9202849355254208824.post-17483948698284350362013-03-25T23:34:10.369-04:002013-03-25T23:34:10.369-04:00David, considering how Sienkiewicz's style wou...David, considering how Sienkiewicz's style would evolve after this, his work on the Korgon story is perfectly fine. It's hard to sell a story revolving around a 15 foot blind god running around the North Pole in his undies, crying crimson energy... I'm certainly not attacking Bill's art in this arc, but I have to agree with Moench's explanation that maybe a more Kirbyesque style would have fit better (then again, there's very little Kirby couldn't improve on).<br /><br />The point behind this retrospective is exploring the question how Moench/Sienkiewicz could have been so succesful and creative match a on Moonknight, while also falling short on Fantastic Four at the same time.<br /><br />Moench's vision for the team was somehow off, despite him trying to emulate the greats... Add to that the fact that Bill's art never quite seemed to mesh with the script, despite him being used to Doug's storytelling by then.<br />All in all, it resulted in the general notion that this wasn't anything like the world's greatest comic book.<br /><br />And yet, this is also the most fascinating part of their run. 32+ years later, their legacy is by no means bad or derivative... We got the DeFalco 90s for that. Heck, as we'll cover in the next chapters Bill and Doug will introduce some truly original FF material. But despite the obvious creativity involved, most of it would be forgotten as soon as John Byrne took over again. <br /><br />The ability to leave a distinct impression that people in general decide to forget as quickly as possible makes for an interesting story, so let's continue to tell it :)Clarmindcontrolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14584770229321250898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9202849355254208824.post-63727024664167236712013-03-25T23:01:24.780-04:002013-03-25T23:01:24.780-04:00Maybe it's just the few panels you've show...Maybe it's just the few panels you've shown from the arc, but in the Korgon story, the art looks fine for the subject matter, I think. It's not nearly as "dark" as the previous storyline (in which, frankly, the art matched just fine, considering the topic). It's a lot of hatin' on Sienkiewicz, when you consider that the stories Moench was writing weren't exactly giving Sienkiewicz a whole lot to work with...Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15304178130464809737noreply@blogger.com